Players don't want to come to Hamilton Accies

[H9crx]

Les stated the above today!

Now most on this forum will not question such statements and will drink it up!

Why do players not want to come to accies ?

Has this always been the case Or just under this BOD

Why would a player move to Dingwall in the middle of no where and not a central club like accies?

Why did Rory Loy go to ST M bottom of the champ and not accies

Why did #22 go to United and not back to the club who made him?

Why do we not get all the best young talent from around the world wanting to come on lone and develop at a club with the "best youth system around"

Why do our young players want to leave?

If we are so professional at doing our business why do we not have more lone players form clubs we have done buisness with?

Can any one provide awnser for four or more of the above that is not £££££££ or is it the usual shit from Les we are to wee to poor shut up and eat your flaks.

[Stevie Clarke]

Plastic pitch, crap crowds, clueless manager, dodgy **** ** ****** (fill in the blanks)

[sectiona]

Other teams boards/managers hate doing business with Accies.FACT

[redandwhite1874]

I think if money and size of crowds/clubs are factors that are not allowed in an answer to a question related to player transfers; then reality is not really at play is it?

However, where money is probably not as involved is in terms of Loy. This is the guy that was a sure fire success at the top level and we should have had loads of money we don't have chucked at him. He was a sure fire success right up to the point that he wasn't and isn't. However, it would appear reasonable to suggest that Dundee would not in any way want to strengthen teams (or take the chance of doing so) who are fighting the drop alongside them - if indeed any of them saw Loy as the answer to the various positions that people think he is best at (midfield wide, midfield central, up front alone, off the front man etc. etc.)

So it then comes down to Championship level and the club that takes him has the ability to offer reasonable money and who finds itself in terrible trouble. Ironically its in deep trouble after adopting the 'ditch the manager(s)' strategy so loved of many, so loved apparently for its attraction as a change is better than anything; rather than actual evidence that it works.

It strikes me that Loy is the third player in recent times that people are getting all excited about, that ends up at the bottom half of the championship; Harkins, Rankin and now Loy - perhaps some Accies fans know more than all the coaching staff at the clubs above that level? Or maybe not.

Might as well chuck in the Ross County signing as well. They are a decent club, well supported by its fans and backed by a benefactor as well; that's seeing success on the pitch. Decent standard of life up there as well and the 'wee club in the middle of nowhere' attitude is again detached from reality.

[Yummy Fur]

Might as well chuck in the Ross County signing as well. They are a decent club, well supported by its fans and backed by a benefactor as well; that's seeing success on the pitch. Decent standard of life up there as well and the 'wee club in the middle of nowhere' attitude is again detached from reality.

Really good post.

I thought the Ross County comparison was interesting who are a club that have an average home attendance of almost exactly 1500 more fans than Accies. Admittedly these figures aren't 100% but maybe a reasonable guess:-

1500 fans paying £15 per game = £22,500 per game additional income
£22,500 with 19 home games = £427,500
Average Accies 1st team wage £42,000 (as reported recently) = 10 players

So only taking into account home attendances and not the knock on impact of hospitality, catering etc... the advantage over Accies of the 3rd poorest supported team in the division is 10 players.

Of course the argument will be that you've got to speculate to accumulate and investing in good players will add numbers on the gate and that might be the case especially when you consider that our average attendance this season is 2,699 down from 2,877 in 2014/15 during the season where Alex Neil's team were beating Aberdeen 3-0, knocking 5 past Motherwell etc.. That's a whopping 6% or expressed in Wearehamilton terms either 30%, 40% or 50% - FACT. Our promotion season we averaged 1,435 stat fans.

[Yummy Fur]

Why do our young players want to leave?

Do they?

[WAC]

If you want to believe the crowd figures this year then that's fine but visually you can see there are a good few hundred less inn the stands than last season

[H9crx]

Why do our young players want to leave?

Do they?

Another two away in last few weeks? Why if we have the best academy around and are so good at developing and giving young players a chance?

Shit manager may be the awnser

[H9crx]

Might as well chuck in the Ross County signing as well. They are a decent club, well supported by its fans and backed by a benefactor as well; that's seeing success on the pitch. Decent standard of life up there as well and the 'wee club in the middle of nowhere' attitude is again detached from reality.

Really good post.

I thought the Ross County comparison was interesting who are a club that have an average home attendance of almost exactly 1500 more fans than Accies. Admittedly these figures aren't 100% but maybe a reasonable guess:-

1500 fans paying £15 per game = £22,500 per game additional income
£22,500 with 19 home games = £427,500
Average Accies 1st team wage £42,000 (as reported recently) = 10 players

So only taking into account home attendances and not the knock on impact of hospitality, catering etc... the advantage over Accies of the 3rd poorest supported team in the division is 10 players.

Of course the argument will be that you've got to speculate to accumulate and investing in good players will add numbers on the gate and that might be the case especially when you consider that our average attendance this season is 2,699 down from 2,877 in 2014/15 during the season where Alex Neil's team were beating Aberdeen 3-0, knocking 5 past Motherwell etc.. That's a whopping 6% or expressed in Wearehamilton terms either 30%, 40% or 50% - FACT. Our promotion season we averaged 1,435 stat fans.

This is good response, but RC have not made Millions in transfers in the last 5 years. If we had reinvested some of this into the first team we may not be dropping fanse and could be growing fan base. They say it goes to the academy what a wast of money that has been. Where has the return been Since the two James ( S Hendrys was a pitiful return for all the millions invested) or has the money been pocketed by the BoD?

[redandwhite1874]

Yes the model of sustainability and development hasn't served the club at all well in the last 14 years. As you say it was better under Watson

[monkeybones]

Oh my god really?

Modern football players will play on a turd rock circling the moon run by Glaswegian bigots if you pay them money. They key word - money.

Pay it and they will come. Pay it and they will stay.

Stop moaning guys. Small club. No big sponsors. Small support. No money.

[sectiona]

Oh my god really?

Modern football players will play on a turd rock circling the moon run by Glaswegian bigots if you pay them money. They key word - money.

Pay it and they will come. Pay it and they will stay.

Stop moaning guys. Small club. No big sponsors. Small support. No money.

Are you for real?

McCarthy,McArthur,Easton,Hendrie,Andreu money.Largest sponsorship deal ever,tv revenue.hospitality revenue,etc etc etc. Smallest wage budget in the league=too much money spent on things nothing to do with the club.

[redandwhite1874]

Yes and that income being generated, and spent, is possibly why we are already punching above our weight and not in the lower leagues where we have spent the vast majority of the last 140 odd years.

[Bomber Harris]

Yes and that income being generated, and spent, is possibly why we are already punching above our weight and not in the lower leagues where we have spent the vast majority of the last 140 odd years.

6 seasons of top flight football since season 07/08 is hardly punching above any weight. That's a better record than Ross County, ICT and partick thistle. All this punching above our weight patter by yourself and the club is utter negative drivel.

[redandwhite1874]

Well 150 years and our crowds compared to clubs above and below us are a clear indicator for most neutrals to see we are punching above our weight. Recognising and indeed embracing this is not a weakness, reality is never something to be hidden from.

[Bomber Harris]

Well 150 years and our crowds compared to clubs above and below us are a clear indicator for most neutrals to see we are punching above our weight. Recognising and indeed embracing this is not a weakness, reality is never something to be hidden from.

Garbage. Since when did the crowd start playing instead of players? 6 seasons of top flight football was down to quality signings like Marco, Cerny, Neil, Andreu, Scotland, mensing, mcgovern, weso, Canning, Buchanan, imrie and so on could go on all night here. Hardly punching above any weight signing where they? Les Gray said we can't attract players. Why not? what has changed?

[monkeybones]

Oh my god really?

Modern football players will play on a turd rock circling the moon run by Glaswegian bigots if you pay them money. They key word - money.

Pay it and they will come. Pay it and they will stay.

Stop moaning guys. Small club. No big sponsors. Small support. No money.

Are you for real?

McCarthy,McArthur,Easton,Hendrie,Andreu money.Largest sponsorship deal ever,tv revenue.hospitality revenue,etc etc etc. Smallest wage budget in the league=too much money spent on things nothing to do with the club.

Erm they all left... ..for money. long week?

[H9crx]

Could be down to people In The game, know about the Gansters who are now running the club.

Every player / former players I have spoken to all cite that Gangsters are at the club! One put it in his own unique way "Bad men at Hamilton"

Now red and white this has merit when all youth players have an agent that is a well know West coast gangster! So fuck right off be four you come back with This is all made up myths.

[redandwhite1874]

Could be down to people In The game, know about the Gansters who are now running the club.

Every player / former players I have spoken to all cite that Gangsters are at the club! One put it in his own unique way "Bad men at Hamilton"

Now red and white this has merit when all youth players have an agent that is a well know West coast gangster! So fuck right off be four you come back with This is all made up myths.

Are made up myths different from mere myths?

[Stevie Clarke]

The gangster connection is really putting me off the club. I have heard some rumours for years and yes, when we were doing well you don't really think about it too much. But this Barry Hughes stuff is new to me at least. I wonder if I stood up at a forum and asked about gangster involvement in Hamilton Accies, what the reaction would be?